Anonymous asked:

"Indigenous Palestinians" are nothing more than the children of Muslim Colonists. Israel was conquered by the Caliphs of Islam and then Islamified by the Mamluk and Ottoman Sultans. The establishment of a Jewish state in Israel is not "Ethnic Cleansing," it is much more complicated than that. It would be kind of like if all Europeans left the Americas and gave it back to the Native Americans. This does not justify their abhorrent aggressive expansion, however, but that is another issue entirely



This is so wrong on so many levels. Let me explain.

The vast majority of Palestinians today identify as Arab and Muslim. This however, does not mean that the population we call Palestinians today moved in after the Muslim conquests in the 7th century. This is a typical “rookie mistake”.

Of course there was tribal Arab and Muslim migration towards every region after the conquest, but these remain a minority compared to the indigenous population. I don’t think people realize how little people the Muslim Arab tribes had compared to areas like the Levant and Egypt. It would have been literally impossible for them to replace the original inhabitants.

No, what happened, was that the indigenous population came to be Arabized and Islamized over time. But they are the same population. DNA tests were used to try and disprove Palestinian ties to the land and show them as outsider Arabs. These tests all showed that the majority of Palestinians have DNA traces leading back as far as they could trace. i.e. way before the Muslim conquests.

As for the second part. The Jewish population were not the first people to ever set foot in Palestine. Even if they were, it wouldn’t make a difference.

What the Zionists did to Palestine was 100% ethnic cleansing, by all definitions of the term. A bunch of European colonists fresh off the boat pushing out the indigenous population for an ethnocratic state. It’s not complicated in the slightest, people love to say it’s complicated but yet /never/ elaborate how it’s complicated.

Your analogy is terrible. If anything it’s the other way around. The indigenous population is the one being removed in favor of European settlers. That their ancestors may have had a kingdom lasting 70 years 2000 years ago is irrelevant. Because guess what? We as the indigenous population were also part of that kingdom.

Also, why is Palestine Jewish because they had a kingdom there at one point? Do you have any idea how many kingdoms and conquerors Palestine has had? Using this logic, an Italian or an Iraqi or an Egyptian could easily lay claim to most of the Middle East. It’s really as absurd as it sounds.

Palestine belongs to its indigenous people. i.e. the Palestinians, and not fresh settlers from Europe. When I say indigenous Palestinians, that also includes the Jewish Palestinians that lived here before mass Zionist immigration.

We’ve been on this land all our lives, and everything that has happened in Palestine is our history. This includes the pre-Jewish period, the Jewish period, Babylonian, Assyrian, Roman, Persian, Ummayad, Abbasid…everything. All of this is our heritage. It’s been the same population, under many rulers, under many religions, under many names. But essentially, we are more or less the same people. (Of course taking into account intermarriage and immigration waves over thousands of years)

So please, watch what you call us. And drop the condescending quotation marks when you say indigenous Palestinians. Also your history is way off with the Mamluks and Ottomans.

There are a lot more points to raise, but this answer has gone on long enough.

Wow, this is really good.

The 30 Harshest Philosopher-on-Philosopher Insults in History



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Anonymous asked:

Chooch, I feel I'm horribly uneducated on the Israel/Palestine situation. :( I mean, I understand the basic conflict, but I know there's much more to the issue and I have no idea where to start looking. Are there any links/articles/videos on the topic that you've found particularly accurate or informative? Zayn's tweet definitely makes me want to learn more on this issue.


Here is one of the biggest benefits to having zayn tweet this; uninformed people decide to figure out what’s going on. Unfortunately, I’m not the best person to talk to about this, but I’ll try my best. I also know that twerk-it-larry is pretty informed on the situation and has faced it first hand.

So, Zayn Malik tweeted this today:


Some history:


Until1946, Palestinians lived all over the country, some Jewish people did too, and they actually lived pretty peacefully.

After WW2, the British, finding that Jews felt unsafe in Europe, decided to establish Israel as their state. Over a million fled to Israel from 1948-1970.

Here’s some more history.

Here’s a video.

Here’s a post about some of the ways Palestinians are discriminated against.

Here’s whats happening now:

The current escalation was caused when 3 Israeli teenagers were kidnapped while they were found on Palestinian land. Israeli government was quick to blame Hamas, the people in power in Palestine, they later admitted that that it was a lone act, in other words, Hamas wasn’t involved. In other words, you could make the argument that Israel blamed Hamas in order to justify the planned attack.

Further, the Israeli government was well aware the teens were dead, but acted as if they didn’t:

Yet for the next two weeks authorities put on a phony rescue effort, instituted a gag order to prevent the public from knowing the truth and rallied the Jewish domestic and diaspora populations in anticipation of their move against Hamas.


The death toll is approaching 1,000, most of them women and children. That because Israel consistently target, hospitals, and UN shelters



Israel: 42.

"Israel has the right to defend itself?"

In a nutshell, the conflict is about two peoples, living in peace. One side does something, and the other reacts.

I’m not saying Palestine is innocent in all of this, but they are definitely the disenfranchised population. According to Human Rights Watch:

World Report 2014.

Israeli forces killed more Palestinian civilians in the West Bank and demolished more Palestinian homes than in 2012. Israel continued to build settlements in the West Bank, violating international law. Palestinian security forces in both the West Bank and Gaza enjoyed virtual impunity from criminal prosecution despite credible allegations of torture. In Gaza, Israel and Egypt impeded rebuilding of the devastated economy by blocking virtually all exports. Israeli and Palestinian security services in the West Bank and Gaza arrested people arbitrarily and unlawfully restricted people from protesting.

Oh and:


I have general knowledge of what’s going on, so here are some more links to explore and stay updated:



James Gelvin

Noam Chomsky

Jewish Voices for Peace

*Note: this is really general, I hope its informative, but please don’t let this post be your sole source. Please do your own research, come to your own conclusion.

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